Thank you for your reply Dawn . But there will be some crisis where they have to define their love and anchor it some useful purpose. I have a 12th house Capricorn stellium and my husband and I also have a composite 12th house Capricorn stellium. Sadly, our Moon is square to Uranus and I suspect this might be one influence behind her decision to break off all contact with me. Struggling against our own unconscious is not an easy thing They might be very sneaky and test people a lot. However, Eros in the 12th may mean a less conscious eroticism drives the relationshipwe think we know what were doing but we may not, and may be subject to desires of all kinds. And yes, you need to put the natal charts around the composite to see how this is going to affect the individuals. I became reacquainted with a man I grew up with. My boyfriend and I have 4-5 planets in the 12th house in our composite progressed chart. Composite Neptune conjunct the angles (within 4 to 5 degrees) gives Neptune prominence in the relationship. The 12th house is all about past life astrology, so the planets can . Does that sound like enough glue to counter the 12th house effects? Oh the powers of the 12th house. 00 Angel Number, 00 Angel Number Twin Flame. But the problem with Neptune and XII house synastric connections, is that illusions seem to possess not your brain, but your flesh and soul. This will tell you the energy sounding the ending. Since then we got closer and closer and couldnt hold back our attraction. 12th House : A busy 12th house is very difficult in a composite chart, since it's the house of the unconscious feelings and all things hidden, so there will be a lot of miscommunication between the two. And youre so right, because there is something about the compo 12 th house ! Ive recently broke up with what was felt the love of my life the most pure and locvng relationship ever. You could unknowingly absorb all types of pain from the collective unconscious, making it difficult for you to be a member of the world. The ego thing is very true. That 12th house/Neptune influence is devasting if left unchecked. However it can create a feeling of fate sometimes, since it's also the house of soulmates and psychic connections. Its a damn shame, but I cant make him more a more spiritual person, just because our powerful connection together is deep and spiritual. Transit Mercury in the Composite 12th House. The inner planets are where we liveso yes, the 10th house stellium will have more influence on a day to day basis, and then once in a while the outer planets will come out to grab us with whatever their issues are, particularly by transit or progression to the stellium/12th. Reading Nessus in the houses and signs can provide an individual with different implications. I retire in one year and will be living 20 miles from him. I mentioned Juno because it has a 1 degree conjunction with the Sun. Overall the chart has a heavy emphasis on the 10-12 houses, and no planets at all in the 5-9 houses, with the exception of Chiron in the 8th house (which sextiles the MC and trines the Moon/Mars as well). Watch out for substance abuse and addictions. We have our composite sun in 12th house, along with saturn. Black Moon Lilith is the geometric point in the sky that marks the furthest point of the moon's orbit around the earth. And I dont think you can fully understand Pisces without understanding its relation to Jupiter as well as Neptune. It is commonly thought that the Moon governs emotions and intuition, and it does. Any insights you may have would be greatly appreciated! The Moon squares Mercury and Venus in the 9th, Pluto and Saturn in the 3rd, and squares the MC. Have you any thoughts or words to share on the 12th house commonalities we have individually, and what impact it lends to us as a couple? I am so sad because I would have never meet him IF my husband and this man, and his wife would not become friends with him in church, ( I did not go to church for a while so I would not meet them!) The working dynamic of the partnership is in the biwheel (how do you make me feel?) Our synastry with my beloved couple is very strong with good connections between both 1th and 7th house rulers and many positive aspects like double whammy saturn-moon, and positive ascendant-moon, ascendant-venus, venus-moon, and so warm and intense pluto conj. I feel there is no Karmic tie to this person, my intuition leans more towards twin flame type status. We have a meaningful journey to take together, but we must ultimately be alone. My fiance and I have an exact conjunction of Sun/Mercury in the 12th in Taurus with Venus also being the chart ruler and placed in the 1st. I think that your article is quite amazing, but for those of us who are making these relationships work for us I wish you would have given some cases in which it can work. I have met my match. The lesson they teach is that we do not have to possess love in order to experience it. He says what on thinking. thank you for your insight, thank you !!! It was helpful all of your comments about the rest of composite houses and I say Thank you again for this We went through hell together, we loved each other, we saved each other, we saved others together, we could practically feel and read one another. But, separate he has a Saturn Gemini 12th and I have a Mercury Scorpio 12th. Who cares? However, when I examine our composite chart, I was shocked. When transit Venus is in the composite 12th house, you may enjoy being affectionate with one another when no one else around is around to pry and its just the two of you in a personal relationship. This is where our own shadow meets the shadow of the collective. such is the nature of the 12th, beautiful and terrible.! Dawn, I just found this and it seems to hold some answers about what is going wrong with my marriage of 8 years. A very painful and challenging connection. As Jeff Buckley puts it, hes a tear that hangs inside my soul forever. The relationship is both a working one and personal/intimate. I was heart broken all over again. Arent these positive aspects good enough to sustain a relationship down-to-earth, telling me to forgive and try again or just simply blowing the matter worse and prolonging it?. the davison chart also has our moon, venus, saturn and uranus in the 1st. This person and I believe were soulmates, and I would go further to say were twin flames as we share some many parallels in our lives, similarities, and all the other strange features of a twin flame relationship as describe by many. WhiteLotus. Im not exactly sure what our future holds, but I do know we are exactly where we are supposed to be XOXO ~ Thank you for the lovely insights!!! Knowing him has felt like a blessing and a curse, and yet, to this day, I do not regret falling in love with him that night 10 years ago. This is brilliant and compassionate. I need all the help to understand I can get. Oftentimes, once we surrender to the powers of the 12th house, our lives are transformed by meaning, because those unlikely connections have brought us a wisdom beyond our time together. Your generation, the one with Pluto/Uranus opposite Saturn in Virgo/Pisces, came into this life with a huge burden. Unable to forget it? On the one hand We are meant to be on the other, But if we are, why is it so hard?, When a couple has planets, or an important planet, in the 12th, it can go a couple of ways. With a lot of respect for all of your work and wishing you all the best. Composite The relationship is deep and beautiful and in periods hard for us to be with each other. VERY-VERY SORRY! North Node conjuncts Desc. What the twelfth house demands of us always is that we give the ego a rest, but often challenges regarding the ego are exactly what we have to face with twelfth house planets. Should I pay attention to that or to our individual charts? I apologize for the mistakes, Im French and sometimes it is difficult to express in English . Dear Dawn, That was over three years ago. They might not be opposed to using under-handed tactics in order to receive information or get what they desire. What you said about compo Sun/Neptune is very interesting Please I would like to know Dawn,according to you it is important to notice what this compo Sun/Neptune conjuncts in each individual charts, to determine more precisely how each person is going to feed this confusing Sun /Neptune by his/her personal points .? My english is not very good. I have my sun in the 12th house of my natal chart, and we both have venus in the 12th house of our natal charts. The lack of posturing and display of ego gives others the chance to have a "day in the sun," endearing the 12th house sun to the person they gave the chance to shine. I still feel a strong connection to him, but in a way, I guess I have come to reasonable terms with not being with him. He told me that had never happened to him before (referring to how we couldnt control ourselves). Any advice would be helpful. Comfy date, lots of laughter, he contacted me for a second date. Thank you, Tricia. my davison chart has our sun, mercury and pluto in the 12. frequently i hear what he says in my head before he says it. Noticed he has moved on and I want to let go and move on too, hoping that the story will not repeat itself again. I was the Sun/Ascendant person, while he was the Lilith person. The 12th House is also known as the House of mystery while Venus symbolizes intuition and artful . The relationship has been on & off, again and again for 28 years. In my experience, if you have a good synastry but a difficult composite, the couple get along with one another but have problems establishing the relationship in the outside world. . After our individual identity is explored through all the houses, in the 12th and final house, the personality dissolves into something larger. *Also in synastry- my 12th house Juno in Taurus also sits in his 12th house) In traditional astrology, the 12 th house is known as the house of Bad Spirit. The 12th house has to do with summarizing and accepting all that has come before it, whereas first house planets are very pure, almost innocent, in their expression. It has been a long, hard road, but rewarding and with the planets in Cancer, SO hard to let go. A trauma might have triggered you before, making you a reserved person now. In my natal I have mars and mercury in 12th house Gemini. When we split up I cried every day for a month. The Inner Wheel Recommended Astrology Reading Lists, Crucible and the Wheel: The Transiting Nodes Series. We communicated telepathically and still do. Composite Pluto in the 9th house: There is an added layer of complexity to their combined life philosophy. What do You think about Davison Chart? The fellow and I have composite sun/Mercury conjunct in the 12th, making an out of sign conjunction to the ascendant. We have Sun,mercury,venus and jupiter in 12th house virgo. I use both in my practice. We all have things we come in to this life to accomplish, achieve, or learn. Two sides of the same coin. Mars is involved too, which would indicate that passion, anger and aggression can be triggered by the darker, more unconscious feelings that emerged when the . As the article says : this being the 12th, most of the time the lesson is learning to love and then let go. In synastry, I have my sun, mercury, and mars in his 12th house in pisces, and his venus in my 12th house in cancer/gemini. Though many of the things you have said have been true, and there are challenges, I know we are committed to knowing each other and spending this precious time together. This year in April we were introduced to each other by our mates. I cannot be happy with him (I feel happy but it doesnt last any longer) or without him. Is it a dream come true, or a big lie? I had a relationship with someone, in our composite chart, we have a stellium in the 12th house Sun, Juno, Venus and Uranus. Those of us with composite 12th emphasized will be asked to step away from the mundane and step into the world of the extraordinary, where unlikely connections are day to day things. There are lots of couples with heavy 12th house influence who are out in the open. My natal Venus conjuncts composite IC and his natal Mars conjuncts composite MC. Do you think perhaps its just the heavily dominated 12th house of our composite chart thats responsible for my belief that we may be twin flames? We feel that our twelfth house planets dont work the way our other planets do, or the way that same planet seems to behave in other peoples charts. His Pluto on your Ascendant is an intense experience, but it sounds as though Neptune is the culprit as far as youre concerned. (I have never done anything like that with anyone else.) But, our composite chart is weird. I found composite Saturn on the 12th house, trining the composite Sun/Venus/Merc on the 8th and sextile to the Moon on the 2nd. The empty space you decribe has me under pressure most days. . The composite with the Great Unrequired Impossible love of my life , shows Sun conjunct Neptune and SN , in Scorpio VII . Please your opinion. First of all, head to astro.com head to extended chart selection . What is the best approach? What do you think? I havent spoken to him in a couple of years and my heart is still broken. Your email address will not be published. It was emotional and intense, also warm and familiar at the same time. Transit Neptune in the Composite 12th House. I have gone through a long, long cycle of heartaches and have been able to slowly, heart-wrenchingly get over each and every one, except this guy. Thank you in advance. Is this similar for composite ruler in 12th? Transit Jupiter in the Composite 12th House. I found so many answers and maybe some dissapointments as well :/. Also, forgive my double Virgo and the fact that I was once an editor: the phrase is unrequited love not unrequired. Sorry. i am deeply hurt but I am not angry with him. Im sorry, but all of the aspects you mentioned can be used as excuses to pull you back into a relationship that has ended for the other person: in particular, the trines. What should i do? And what does it mean our 12th. They help us understand that our capacity to love is its own reward. Hes Gemini sun . Anything different there? I am Sun in Aries, Asc in Leo and Moon in Aquarius, and he is Sun in Leo, Asc in Gemini and Moon in Leo. Hi annaMy feeling is that the word god is loaded, psychologically speaking. Are these water houses the culprits that keep pulling me back? My nn is conjunct his sun and mercury. Looking at the chart, it seems to be propelling us into Aquarius, and Aquarian age type of love. This can happen in composites of unrequited love, where one person loves another who doesnt know he or she exists. We met one day and it was ON, mutual, and understood without saying word. His sun scorpio falls into my fourth house in my natal chart and mine ,cancer, falls into his 8th. The North Node in the 12 th House - Synastry. But it was very devastating experience getting physical, it really failed the first time and we didnt try it again. The romantic nature of the past relationship is more emphasized which planets such as Venus, Mars, or Lilith in the twelfth house. Mars & NNode in Cancer/10th. Click on "Chart Type" >>. sounds pathetic, but thats just the nature of 12th house love; you cant downsize or decrease its feeling and meaning.. What a way to describe it ~ nebulous, yet mysteriously powerful influence on our lives or my life as far as i know, this was exactly how I confused myself in this short and intense relationship with an ex. It shapes the relationship between two persons. Now, you can either say its karma, or you can say that person A is psychologically hooking onto the archetype formed with person Bs chart, but whatever it is, it can be a very powerful pull. We work together, this relationship is definitely a karmic one, but now, after 1 one year of being together, there are some difficulties. The composite chart with the man Im involved with has an extremely tight Moon/Mars conjunction in the 12th, along with the North Node. The twelfth house is about vocation, our divine calling, and is a very different energy from the status-oriented tenth. At all. We have an interesting stellium in the 6th Uranus, Eros, Ceres, and Vertex all within a degree of each other. or is it irrelevant ? I might even say hes one of the closest people to me. He is a pisces/cap/aquar with cap moon in 12th house. We also have composite venus in the 12th house. You need to work on bringing body and mind together, as a couple. Hi HGOf course, these articles cant contain every single exception, and the whole chart has to be taken into consideration. what can we do here? I put mars (Cancer) in his 12th. It also governs much, much more, however. Much depends on the relationship of the 12th house planets to one another. I feel like I never want tk part from this man. Everyone longs for melding and merging in relationship, but the truth is that separateness makes us interesting to one another. As a 12th house person, I finally realized I enjoy the confusion. The love you have for one another may be secret or private, and/or you are called upon to take a leap of faith in order to be with one another. (Our North Node rulers often lead us down these blind alleyways.) The sixth and the eighth house are also karmic houses. Also, if the relationship is not a good one, Sun conjunct Neptune is prone to self-deception and confusion at best and outright deception and betrayal at its worst. *Composite Chiron conjunct Moon in Taurus in 12th house. Now we hate each other and nothing made sense. Juno in the 12th means that there are unresolved issues surrounding equality in relationship and some sort of sacrifice in relationships will be necessary in order to discover that balance. By the way, in progressions, you very clearly see the influence of both planets at work. Look at poor Kurt Cobain, who is the poster boy for this aspect. Im trying to figure it out. Is Your experience the same? She says that she has been uncertain about her attraction to me from the beginning and is just really confused because she does love me. In fact, it seems we are even more a part of each others lives than ever. . mars is trine composite sun, pluto, uranus jupiter and neptune- but square moon saturn. By looking your article I realized that our composite chart is too difficult to try a relationship but when I examine our natal charts, there are many matchings as well.